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Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby Matt » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:03 am

Does anyone know the status of this university? http://www.vubs.ch/
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby John Bear » Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:11 am

Not listed in the comprehensive 2010 edition of Europa World of Learning.

Do not find faculty listed on the site . . . but a chancellor emeritus, Dr. Juvet (it is an honorary doctorate) who is President of the International Centre for Sports Studies.

I tried the phone number at 9 am Swiss time, Friday morning. I believe the phone was answered in German, "Good morning."
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby nosborne48 » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:10 pm

Really? I'm trying to remember...times like this I miss Uncle J...seems to me that the standard telephone greeting auf Deutsch is "Allo?" to which the caller (oddly) demands, "Wer ist da?" But of course, things change...I doubt anmyone says "Gruss Gott" in Baveria any more, either.
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby Malcolm Jenner » Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:40 pm

They claim a link with Harper Adams University College in UK. Harper Adams is a perfectly respectable state-funded college, originally a specialist agricultural college, now with some diversification into business studies and management. There seems to be no mention of Victoria University on the Harper Adams website, so it is not clear what the nature of this partnership (if any) might be.
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby Matt » Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:29 am

There is another website address :

http://victoria-university.info/index.html

Can't seem to find any indication of formal recognition of the university.
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby John Bear » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:50 pm

I asked a Swiss colleague who is very familiar with the matter of less-than-wonderful schools. His reply (in which the last paragraph confirms that he does read this forum!)::

"I vaguely remember an entity called "Victoria University",
allegedly headquartered - once upon a time - in a wonderful castle
(Chateau de Vaumarcus) high above Neuchatel...
(see http://www.swisscastles.ch/Neuchatel/vaumarcus.html )

Yep; a quick search in the Swiss Federal Commercial Registry confirms:
it's still the same entity (see attached PDF file).
They apparently moved from the Chateau de Vaumarcus to Le Locle, and later to Neuchatel.
It's explicitly aimed at students from Asia and the Pacific:
(quote) "(...) dispensant en particulier son enseignement à des étudiants pré- et
post-grade en provenance de la région Asie-Pacifique." (unquote)

This gentleman seems to be the guy in charge:
Dai Xulong, de Chine, à Beijing, Chine

... but (as expected) the entity does not appear in this list of
"Recognized or Accredited Swiss Higher Education Institutions":
http://www.crus.ch/information-programm ... s.html?L=2

Being an "Orient-oriented" outfit, it fittingly shares its (beware!: not "it's"!) new address with the "Fight Move Academy":
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:gJj ... clnk&gl=ch
which specializes in "mixed martial arts":
http://www.fightmoveacademy.ch/site/
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby Hungry Ghost » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:15 pm

John Bear wrote:It's explicitly aimed at students from Asia and the Pacific:
(quote) "(...) dispensant en particulier son enseignement à des étudiants pré- et
post-grade en provenance de la région Asie-Pacifique." (unquote)

This gentleman seems to be the guy in charge:
Dai Xulong, de Chine, à Beijing, Chine

... but (as expected) the entity does not appear in this list of
"Recognized or Accredited Swiss Higher Education Institutions":
http://www.crus.ch/information-programm ... s.html?L=2

Being an "Orient-oriented" outfit, it fittingly shares its (beware!: not "it's"!) new address with the "Fight Move Academy":
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:gJj ... clnk&gl=ch
which specializes in "mixed martial arts":
http://www.fightmoveacademy.ch/site/


A Google search produced 66 hits, of which 52 appear to be Chinese or Taiwanese webpages. There's nothing from Switzerland, which is odd considering that this thing is purportedly a Swiss university.

I notice that Victoria University Switzerland is a member of AACSB. I'll wager that Chinese-language marketing is spinning that membership into an endorsement, if not accreditation itself.
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby major56 » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:19 am

“I notice that Victoria University Switzerland is a member of AACSB. I'll wager that Chinese-language marketing is spinning that membership into an endorsement, if not accreditation itself.”

You're probably on to something (accreditation?) ...
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby John Bear » Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:49 pm

HG writes, "I notice that Victoria University Switzerland is a member of AACSB. I'll wager that Chinese-language marketing is spinning that membership into an endorsement, if not accreditation itself."

Indeed. One of the Google search links HG provided (http://tinyurl.com/ycqvthm), using Google translation, includes:
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◆ the world's top business school accreditation body the United States Association of Collegiate Schools of Business AACSB
◆ European business school accreditation body the authority of the Board of Education ECBE members of the European Business School
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The subtleties of "member" versus "accredited by" are probably not appreciated by the potential students in China.
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby monarch » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:37 am

I thinks your guys here didn't do enough research regrading VU Switzerland here.
I have personally called the Canton Neuchatel, their official told me although they don't deal with private schools, they know that VU
exisits in Switzerland. The department I have contacted is http://www.ne.ch/neat/site/jsp/rubrique ... u&CatId=19
Furthermore, VU's AACSB's membership is legit, because AACSB requires all member schools to supply them with proofs of granting degrees.
VU has fulfilled this I believe. VU furthermore appears to start a campus in switzerland, too. http://www.vubs.ch/InfoDetail.asp?InfoID=42
I have also done some googling, they are accredited by www.auac.org/collegelist.htm, of course, the reputation of this body would need some investigations.
Among VU's teaching members, there are Denis Maillat, Sam El Namaki, some very well-known scholars. So my conclusion is VU is not a degree mill.
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby lukeness » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:31 am

But their website specifically says
In 2002 "Victoria University" was officially accredited by the Swiss Canton of Neuchâtel.


By this it would seem that either 'the official', you, or Victoria University is talking sh*t.
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby g-gollin » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:59 am

Unrecognized accreditor that blesses, in the US, some odd looking things. Check out Si Tanka Huron University for example: http://www.sthu.us/
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby monarch » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:46 pm

lukeness wrote:But their website specifically says
In 2002 "Victoria University" was officially accredited by the Swiss Canton of Neuchâtel.


By this it would seem that either 'the official', you, or Victoria University is talking sh*t.


I hope this kind of statement is not from an educated person. Anyway, the Swiss law doesn't mind the existance of private schools. Each Canton do provide them with license for operating. On the canton level, they don't distinguish the differences between accreditation and license. It is a little bit tricky. In 2011, the government is considering the accreditation on volunteer basis for private schools.
Many schools in Switzerland are not actually "accredited" as your yankees may like. http://www.bsl-lausanne.ch/, here's another example: http://www.educatis.org/en/accreditations/
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby lukeness » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:46 pm

If they are 'licensed' by the canton then that is exactly what they should state, not accredited. Nobody said there was anything wrong with private schools anywhere, it is the claim of accreditation when there is none that is the problem.
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Re: Victoria University Switzerland?

Postby Matt » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:27 am

Victoria University in Switzerland operates no more than with a business license and has no recognized accreditation whatsoever. It is an unaccredited entity that appears to target Asian, or specifically Chinese students with an air of grandeur. Simply put, degrees from this university will not have any academic validity.

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