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Postby Jack » Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:47 pm

Harvard to offer free tuition to students whose houshold income totals less that $60K.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercuryn ... 230860.htm
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Postby Jack » Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:36 pm

Harvard to end early admission program as it is unfair to poor minority students:
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Postby Tedmeister » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:16 am

Jack wrote:Harvard to end early admission program as it is unfair to poor minority students:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213419,00.html
Explain how the early admission process disadvantages poor students.
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Postby Jack » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:44 am

Tedmeister wrote:
Jack wrote:Harvard to end early admission program as it is unfair to poor minority students:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213419,00.html
Explain how the early admission process disadvantages poor students.


Well Ted, you may disagree with the logic but I believe that your question is answered in the body of the linked story.
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Postby Tedmeister » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:49 pm

Jack wrote:
Tedmeister wrote:
Jack wrote:Harvard to end early admission program as it is unfair to poor minority students:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213419,00.html
Explain how the early admission process disadvantages poor students.


Well Ted, you may disagree with the logic but I believe that your question is answered in the body of the linked story.
The way I read it, it sounded like it was saying that the greater percentage accepted in early acceptance was because the early admissions were the creme de la creme of Harvard applicants, not because it is easier to get in early admissions.
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Postby mcdirector » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:44 am

Richer students don't have to worry about tuition payments, so they can apply earlier. Poorer students wait to apply when they find out about available monies. Not having been in the position to have to wait on money to make application, I will admit that I don't quite understand all the intricacies of the application process.
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Postby Tedmeister » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:58 am

mcdirector wrote:Richer students don't have to worry about tuition payments, so they can apply earlier. Poorer students wait to apply when they find out about available monies. Not having been in the position to have to wait on money to make application, I will admit that I don't quite understand all the intricacies of the application process.
So we're saying that early acceptance is a committment to go if accepted, but FAFSA decisions don't come until long after the Harvards and Yales of the world have made their early admissions decisions, thus leaving the poor student in the lurch if s/he has no financial aid while the rich student without financial aid just gets a check from dad-unit?
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Postby mcdirector » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:06 am

That was my understanding when I heard it on the news.
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Re: Free Tuition at Harvard

Postby Tim D » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:06 am

Jack wrote:Harvard to offer free tuition to students whose houshold income totals less that $60K.


That should tell the story right there. If you are disadvantaged and can't afford Harvard then they will help with the tuition. Harvard has long said that cost should not be a factor if accepted and looking at their endowment I believe them.

The problem is of course if you are truley disadvantaged you are not going to Harvard because you didn't get the proper education to begin with.
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Re: Free Tuition at Harvard

Postby SteveFoerster » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:11 pm

Tim D wrote:
Jack wrote:Harvard to offer free tuition to students whose houshold income totals less that $60K.


That should tell the story right there. If you are disadvantaged and can't afford Harvard then they will help with the tuition. Harvard has long said that cost should not be a factor if accepted and looking at their endowment I believe them.

That covers tuition, but not room and board. How much is that per year at Harvard?


Tim D wrote:The problem is of course if you are truley disadvantaged you are not going to Harvard because you didn't get the proper education to begin with.

And yet there are people who come from disadvantaged backgrounds who worked extra hard to succeed. Not many per capita, though, I'll agree.

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Re: Free Tuition at Harvard

Postby Tim D » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:55 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
Tim D wrote:
Jack wrote:Harvard to offer free tuition to students whose houshold income totals less that $60K.


That should tell the story right there. If you are disadvantaged and can't afford Harvard then they will help with the tuition. Harvard has long said that cost should not be a factor if accepted and looking at their endowment I believe them.

That covers tuition, but not room and board. How much is that per year at Harvard?



Beginning in 2006, parents in families with incomes of less than $60,000 will no longer be expected to contribute to the cost of attending Harvard for their children including room and board. In addition, Harvard will reduce the contributions expected of families with incomes between $60,000 and $80,000.
http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/prospective/financial_aid/hfai/index.html

Tim D wrote:The problem is of course if you are truley disadvantaged you are not going to Harvard because you didn't get the proper education to begin with.

And yet there are people who come from disadvantaged backgrounds who worked extra hard to succeed. Not many per capita, though, I'll agree.

-=Steve=-[/quote]

The term statistically insignificant comes to mind. The ones that do manage to overcome such backgrounds deserve the recogntion they get(or in many cases should get)!

In case anyone is curious about the costs of attending Harvard:
Cost of Attendance for 2006-2007
Tuition $30,275
Health Services Fee $1,390
Student Services Fee $2,044
Room $5,328
Board $4,618
Subtotal
$43,655
Estimated Personal Expenses $2,795
Total Budget $46,450

http://www.admissions.college.harvard.e ... index.html
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Re: Free Tuition at Harvard

Postby SteveFoerster » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:54 pm

Tim D wrote:Beginning in 2006, parents in families with incomes of less than $60,000 will no longer be expected to contribute to the cost of attending Harvard for their children including room and board. In addition, Harvard will reduce the contributions expected of families with incomes between $60,000 and $80,000.
http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/prospective/financial_aid/hfai/index.html

Wow, that's pretty cool, then! I'll have to let my kids know that they're going either to a state school or Harvard. ;-)

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