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The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby Eric » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:58 pm

http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0191.asp
The Secret History of the Jesuits

Author: Edmond Paris
ISBN: 9780937958100

Secrets the Jesuits don't want Christians to know
Out of Europe, a voice is heard from the secular world that documents historically the same information told by ex-priests. The author exposes the Vatican's involvement in world politics, intrigues, and the fomenting of wars throughout history. It appears, beyond any doubt, that the Roman Catholic institution is not a Christian church and never was. The poor Roman Catholic people have been betrayed by her and are facing spiritual disaster. Paris shows that Rome is responsible for the two great world wars.

Author Edmond Paris explains why he wrote this book...

"The public is practically unaware of the overwhelming responsibility carried by the Vatican and its Jesuits in the start of the two world wars -- a situation which may be explained in part by the gigantic finances at the disposition of the Vatican and its Jesuits, giving them power in so many spheres, especially since the last conflict."

"In fact, the part they took in those tragic events has hardly been mentioned until the present time, except by apologists eager to disguise it. It is with the aim of rectifying this and establishing the true facts that we present in this and other books the political activity of the Vatican during the contemporary -- activity which mutually concerns the Jesuits."

"This study is based on irrefutable archive documents, publications from well-known political personalities, diplomats, ambassadors and eminent writers, most of whom are Catholics, even attested by the imprimatur."



The Secret History of the Jesuits - 1975 - by, Edmond Paris


The information in this book is factual and fully documented...
This study is based on irrefutable archive documents, publications from
well-known political personalities, diplomats, ambassadors and eminent writers...

Dr. Alberto Rivera, a former Jesuit priest introduces Edmond Paris' book:
"The most dangerous of men are those who appear very religious,
especially when they are organized and in a position of authority. They have
the deep respect of the people who are ignorant of their ungodly push for
power behind the scenes."

"These religious men, who pretend to love God, will resort to murder, incite
revolution and wars if necessary to help their cause. They are crafty,
intelligent, smooth religious politicians who live in a shadowy world of
secrets, intrigue, and phony holiness."


A last century writer, Adolphe Michel, recalled that Voltaire estimated the
number of works published over the years, on the Jesuits, to be about six
thousand.

We will see also how so much effectual zeal was to make it indispensable
to the institution it served, exerting such an influence over it that
its General was named with good reason the "black pope".

Mr. Joseph Rovan, Catholic writer, comments on the diplomatic
agreement between the Vatican and the nazi Reich on the 8th of July 1933:
"The Concordat brought to the national-socialist government,
considered nearly everywhere to be made up of usurpers, if not brigands,
the seal of an agreement with the oldest international power (the Vatican).
In a way, it was the equivalent of a diploma of international honorability".
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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby johann » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:45 pm

More postings out of "love" for your Catholic friends, Eric?
Mommy was right. I definitely can't play with you any more! :evil:

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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby Eric » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:55 pm

I'm not anti Catholic.

Anyway I will stop posting on this issue as well.
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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby SteveFoerster » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:15 am

Eric wrote:Anyway I will stop posting on this issue as well.

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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby Eric » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:29 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Eric wrote:Anyway I will stop posting on this issue as well.

Hamdilillah!


I prefer Haleluyah!
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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby nosborne48 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:57 pm

There's nothing "secret" about the Concordat. The agreement caused a firestorm of protest inside and outside Germany at the time. But if you consider the position of the Vatican in the Thirties, the Pope's actions are not irrational. He was doing what he felt he could at a time when there were no good choices.

There was also, I believe, an agreement with Mussolini around the same time or a bit earlier that established the Vatican as a sovereign state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_State Again, the Pope did what he could under difficult circumstances.

I am no defender of the Roman Catholic Church but there is plenty of solid, reliable mud to be thrown at them. No need to resort to conspiracy theories or "secret" histories.
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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby johann » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:40 pm

nosborne48 wrote:There's nothing "secret" about the Concordat.... He (the Pope) was doing what he felt he could at a time when there were no good choices.

Right. There were no good choices. And, IIRC, the major Protestant denoms in Germany also found themselves forced to sign agreements with Hitler, that moved Nazi officials into positions of authority within their churches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat

nosborne48 wrote:I am no defender of the Roman Catholic Church but there is plenty of solid, reliable mud to be thrown at them. No need to resort to conspiracy theories or "secret" histories.

Yes - there's mud aplenty, if that's what's wanted. Right - no need for conspiracy theories etc. As usual, Nosborne gets it spot on...

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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby Eric » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:44 am

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Re: No more secret history, PLEASE!

Postby johann » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:21 pm

We're done, Eric.

I think you use inflammatory quotes because you have no original thoughts to share. I think the Yiddish word for this stuff is Narishkeit - foolishness. Maybe worse, I dunno.

Don't let the folks at http://www.gonzaga.edu or any other Jesuit school hear this nonsense. You might learn something about Jesuit education, here: http://www.ajcunet.edu/Jesuit-Education ... n-Pedagogy

A periodical I like to read occasionally, when I can find it, is "Tricycle." It's a Buddhist publication. The contributors are diverse - Jesuit Priests, Jews, Christians (including clergy) of all stripes ...and non-believers. Everybody gets along. Might be the only place in the world where they all still do....

Inflammatory quotes? Never any good comes of 'em. Doesn't matter how famous the source! Here's one from a famous man - Martin Luther. It's from his second-best-seller, "The Jews and Their Lies" I am indebted to Jewish Virtual Library for this quote:

What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming....

First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly ­ and I myself was unaware of it ­ will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.


So - are we supposed to hate all today's Lutherans? Shutter all the good schools named Concordia? Bullsh!

I hope you see what I mean. We're done, either way. Alhamdulillah! Whatever Steve F. said. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhamdulillah

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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby Eric » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:25 am

From my good Catholic friend with whom I volunteer in our local Mission,
I suggest you look at the history of the Jesuits by those Catholics who know the truth. They were a big problem, They are still. They were permanently suppressed in 1793 by Clement XIV in a non-alterable papal bull after a 4 year consistory was held to investigate them & gave the Jesuits all due process. He said they were irreformable & a problem from their inception. Their negative influence on the faith was great!
If you want to know about the Jesuits, you have to read the Catholic writers, eg. Blaise Pascal, Jonathan Von Dollinger/ Look on the Catholic Index of Forbidden books to find betters books about the Jesuits from the Catholics themselves. The great Domican theologian Melchior Cano, a contemporary of Ignatius, called them "the forerunners of the Anti-Christ." Read book of Prof. Robert Maryks,who showed many of them they were Jews who were taken in front the Inquisition courts many times.


I look at any group be it religious or not in the time span. In the years of existence there can be low points and high points.
Also groups draw people of different political views. These people then influence the group, especially when they grow in their leadership role with in the group. In some point Jesuits in Spain and surrounding countries included Jews who converted to Christianity the marranos. I don't think today there are any significant number of Jews among Jesuits.

I will take that in 2012 Jesuits are positive Godly people, nothing what is told about in the past. RCC also is not the same as it was during the Inquisition times right?

I really don't want to say anything negative about the Jesuits anymore.
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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby johann » Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:27 pm

Eric wrote:I really don't want to say anything negative about the Jesuits anymore.

The Society of Jesus will be glad to hear that, I'm sure. And no more secret conspiracies, please. These last two weren't mere narishkeit - they were full-blown chazerai!

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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby Roald » Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:58 pm

It's so ironic to see the Jesuits criticized as being part of some power-hungry conspiracy, since much modern criticism of the order has centered on its promotion of policies which serve the poorest of the poor.

During the genocidal civil wars in Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras in the 1980s, Jesuits and Maryknoll nuns were among the few individuals brave enough to confront the U.S.-backed death squads, and often paid with their lives. Their attempts to protect the indigenous Mayans and mestizo peasants against rape and murder at the hands of mercenaries earned them nothing but disdain from the Reagan administration, who fully supported the corrupt oligarchies. They were called communists and terrorists by the administration because they advocated peaceful re-distribution of land and basic voting rights.

They were not motivated not by secret conspiracies or games of brinksmanship, but by a deep sense of social justice. In fact, the Jesuits were instrumental in the development of "Liberation Ideology", which sought to overturn the centuries-old feudal system operating in much of Latin America. So which is it? Are they communist interlopers, seeking to empower and educate peasants (Reagan's view), or elitist, wine-sipping Vaticanistas?

Although I'm not an especially religious person, I did my undergraduate work at a Jesuit institution. In addition to being first rate scholars, the Jesuits I interacted with on a daily basis were deeply committed to assisting undocumented immigrants (many who fled the civil wars), prisoners, and drug addicts. The University itself enrolled many students from impoverished backgrounds, providing them with a world class education for free.

I find it hard to believe that the road to world domination is paved with scholarship and egalitarian self-sacrifice.
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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby johann » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:56 pm

Roald wrote:I find it hard to believe that the road to world domination is paved with scholarship and egalitarian self-sacrifice.

Yeah! Me too! What Roald said! :)

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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby mattchand » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:19 am

For the record, anything published by Chick Publications can be pretty much summarily dismissed.

And since an excerpt was posted, it's probably worth noting that Luther's On the Jews and their Lies is probably one of the single most (if not *the* single most) toxic document ever written by a professing Christian leader. Thankfully, later Lutherans such as Phiipp Jakob Spener had an altogether different mentality.

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Re: The Secret History of the Jesuits

Postby Roald » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:30 am

I hadn't noticed that Chick Publications was the source here. Not surprising at all. Chick publishes (or at least used to publish) a series of illustrated pamphlets that were full of the most paranoid nonesense imaginable. I used to crack up reading them when I was in college, but it's amazing that anyone would take such bizarre ramblings seriously.
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