GOP plumbs new depths of wacko

[johann]

I don't know why I continue this, Eric. I'll probably become known as "the pervert Johann" on the other forum. I'll risk it.

What I stated that there are urges on different levels that people feel.

No, it's not exactly - or even nearly - what you stated. Here are your previous statements:

Gayness is an urge that can be controlled as simple as that.

not(h)ing more then deviations that can be curved in 6 months

The urge (to homosexual behavior) is similar to kleptomania. All it requires is restrain and self control.

After I proved that homosexuality was de-classified as a mental disorder in '73, you still claim that "there are people who have a mental disorder for...same-sex sex" and others "who have this urge but not as a mental disorder." Yes, there are sexually-related mental disorders aplenty -- but simply being gay - and living one's life as a gay person - is not one of them.

What's your point? That it's only a mental disorder if someone acts on it? Now that's crazy! But, as a much greater man than I said, "who am I to judge?"

Johann

[Eric]

I don't know why I continue this, Eric, but...

What I stated that there are urges on different levels that people feel.

No, it's not exactly - or even nearly - what you stated. Here are your previous statements:

Gayness is an urge that can be controlled as simple as that.

not(h)ing more then deviations that can be curved in 6 months

The urge (to homosexual behavior) is similar to kleptomania. All it requires is restrain and self control.

After I proved that homosexuality was de-classified as a mental disorder in '73, you still claim that "there are people who have a mental disorder for...same-sex sex" and others "who have this urge but not as a mental disorder." Yes, there are sexually-related mental disorders aplenty -- but simply being gay is not one of them.

What's your point? That it's only a mental disorder if someone acts on it? Now that's crazy!

Johann

I understand that my English is far from perfect, please re read my post.

Not all Homosexuality urges are mental disorder.
But gay and not so gay Psychologists altered their taxonomy because of intense pressure from the gay community,

So all the people who had this terrible “illness” were “cured” overnight – by a vote!
You can say that geese are swans – but in reality they’re still geese.
We have problems; we have urges; we have habits; we have perspectives. Our feelings fluctuate with our circumstances.

Now I hope my wife Ph.D Psychology doesn't read the following .

DSM’s facile and self-serving attempt to medicalise human problems is an institutionalized insult to human dignity.

Schizophrenia is mental illness. Homosexuality is orientation urge that can be controlled.
Many homosexuals don't want to be homosexual, anymore than a schizophrenic wants to hear voices.

So for some it is a mental issue, condition a serious and a difficult illness to bear.
For them growing up homosexual is traumatizing even to the strongest. Some suffer through constant harassment from schoolmates, families and even strangers. Depression is often a major issue with homosexuals.
I don't know how many homosexuals in addition suffer from a broad spectrum of psychosis and serious emotional disturbances.

I have to let them decide how they will live, I hear their opinion and voice my opinion,
I never question orientation of friends, relatives or coworkers and friends.
Its their character that counts. WE all have our issues.

[Rich Douglas]

1. Eric makes a statement.
2. Everyone rushes to refute it.
3. Eric attacks the source(s) of their facts.

How convenient. And exhausting. And futile. And worthless. I'm out.

[johann]

Difficulty with English is not an excuse for plagiarism, Eric. You cribbed your stuff, including the "geese and swans" analogy, from this page:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/gay- ... locate-uk/

A quick quote to prove it:

Tonui33's comment:

The overall point being that the APA’s taxonomy is nothing more than self-serving nonsense. Real illnesses are not banished by voting or by fiat, but by valid science and hard work. There are no mental illnesses. Rather, there are people. We have problems; we have orientations; we have habits; we have perspectives. Sometimes we do well, other times we make a mess of things. We are complicated. Our feelings fluctuate with our circumstances, from the depths of despondency to the pinnacles of bliss. And perhaps, most of all, we are individuals. DSM’s facile and self-serving attempt to medicalize human problems is an institutionalized insult to human dignity. (emphasis mine, Johann).

When you can write and think for yourself, maybe we'll take it up again -- but I suspect, from your past history, that may be a long, long time.

Johann

[nosborne48]

You know, Eric, you've made me think about this issue a little bit. The error, I think, is in believing that being a homosexual is the same as being a racist, a member of the KKK, or whatever. I think that's wrong, frankly, though I can't point to any scientific evidence. There is scientific evidence, I imagine, but I am not in a position to cite it.

Homosexual orientation seems to be immutable. It's part of a person's hard wiring as it were. These other things, including Christianity, aren't hard wired. There is a choice there but I don't think there's any choice as to sexual orientation.

If that is the case, and I think it is, the constitution will not allow discrimination on that basis. That's what equal protection means. Now, if you believe that God's Law overrides the constitution, then you favor the end of our system of government and its replacement by a theocracy. Frankly, the idea terrifies me.

[Eric]

Difficulty with English is not an excuse for plagiarism, Eric. You cribbed your stuff, including the "geese and swans" analogy, from this page:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/gay- ... locate-uk/

A quick quote to prove it:

Tonui33's comment:

The overall point being that the APA’s taxonomy is nothing more than self-serving nonsense. Real illnesses are not banished by voting or by fiat, but by valid science and hard work. There are no mental illnesses. Rather, there are people. We have problems; we have orientations; we have habits; we have perspectives. Sometimes we do well, other times we make a mess of things. We are complicated. Our feelings fluctuate with our circumstances, from the depths of despondency to the pinnacles of bliss. And perhaps, most of all, we are individuals. DSM’s facile and self-serving attempt to medicalize human problems is an institutionalized insult to human dignity. (emphasis mine, Johann).

When you can write and think for yourself, maybe we'll take it up again -- but I suspect, from your past history, that may be a long, long time.

Johann

I do think my self, and at times more then less I use other well phrased material to represent my opinion.
Call it as you wish.
I had a fair share of papers that were original.
If you wish to address the message do so. You wish to shoot the messenger , noted.

[Eric]

You know, Eric, you've made me think about this issue a little bit. The error, I think, is in believing that being a homosexual is the same as being a racist, a member of the KKK, or whatever. I think that's wrong, frankly, though I can't point to any scientific evidence. There is scientific evidence, I imagine, but I am not in a position to cite it.

Homosexual orientation seems to be immutable. It's part of a person's hard wiring as it were. These other things, including Christianity, aren't hard wired. There is a choice there but I don't think there's any choice as to sexual orientation.

If that is the case, and I think it is, the constitution will not allow discrimination on that basis. That's what equal protection means. Now, if you believe that God's Law overrides the constitution, then you favor the end of our system of government and its replacement by a theocracy. Frankly, the idea terrifies me.

The whats next?

Bestiality? What of a groups people start organize around that life style?

[johann]

I do think my self, and at times more then less I use other well phrased material to represent my opinion.

And you consistently fail to attribute it. That's plagiarism, plain and simple.

Call it as you wish. I had a fair share of papers that were original.

And that's an excuse?

]If you wish to address the message do so. You wish to shoot the messenger , noted.

No, I don't shoot people. I do sometimes shake my head and ignore them. Maybe that's my best bet now.

How convenient. And exhausting. And futile. And worthless. I'm out.

Me, too!

Johann

[nosborne48]

Do you remember what I said about "overwhelming consensus"? Bestiality is not a realistic concern.

Polygamy, polyandry, and polyamory are a different question. Throughout most of human history, at least polygamy WAS deemed ordinary and acceptable. Sure was in the Bible, anyway!

Or does God change His mind?

[Eric]

Do you remember what I said about "overwhelming consensus"? Bestiality is not a realistic concern.

Polygamy, polyandry, and polyamory are a different question. Throughout most of human history, at least polygamy WAS deemed ordinary and acceptable. Sure was in the Bible, anyway!

Or does God change His mind?

You ask good question.
In my opinion God in the scriptures allocated space for leadership such as priests to advise to people. At some point in Judaism and Christianity it became unlawful to have more then one wife.
In Judaism if A man had lets say 3 wives and had children by them, it was always known who is the father and who is the mother.
Since it was forbidden to have a momzer or illegitimate child, if a woman was to mary multiple husbands at old times there wouls be confusion as to whois the father of the children.

Today its simple with the DNA test to identify who are the parents of each child.


In the olden times in many societies woman were property of man.
Children were workers in the family, every one contributed, chief wife, older children helped with work etc.
Woman without a man was doomed.

One could afford slaves another became a slave and also a lot of times wars caused people to become slaves etc.

Today its different. Maybe not in Sudan do.
Try to marry an under age teen in USA? In our society its unacceptable.

Logic tells most of us that sex organs are for reproduction, Man and Woman. Its pleasurable so to protect human race so to attract the OPPOSITE sex.
Like everything it can be abused. Some practices are clearly abusive of the concept of reproduction.

To me a family is a building block of the society. Health of society can be determined by health of the family.

[nosborne48]

Technically, Jewish law permits polygamy. Israeli law permits no more than two wives and the immigrant man had to bring them in with him (usually from North Africa or the Arab world).

Ashkenazi Jews were restricted to one wife by rabbinic edict around 1000 CE. The edict had an expiration date; 1,000 years. That time having passed, the prohibition has lapsed.

HOWEVER, in the Diaspora, there is a legal maxim: "The Law of the Land is the Law" meaning that, where the civil law of a place is more restrictive than Jewish law on the same subject, Jews must obey the civil law. Therefore, since polygamy is prohibited in most places where there are Ashkenazi communities, Jewish men may have no more than a single wife at a time.

As an aside to this aside, there is a current and real consequence to the legal state of affairs. If a married Jewish woman has a child by a man not her husband, either in an affair or because her divorce was technically defective, the child is a "mamzer", a legal status so awful that its continued existence is sufficient justification for the Reform movement. If, however, a married Jewish man fathers a child with an unmarried woman, that child is NOT a "mamzer" because the man could, technically, marry the mother despite his already being married.

Sorry for the long winded post.

[Eric]

Since I caused unintentionally respected members of this group to leave this discussion I will stop discussion the gay perspective.

I will instead bring the cuts in militarry and seemed disrespect by nations to current US as world power.
Israel, Fillipines, Taiwan and others are feeling less confident that US as a strong allay.

Russia is on the move - this time putting military forces in Ukraine. So while President Obama is unilaterally disarming us across the globe,
Russia is on the move and not holding back.
Putin doesn't care what Obama says, as America's interests are being threatened. Also, how are other countries like Venezuela, Iran, Egypt and China going to view America now that they see us retreating? Russia is already negotiating to put bases across the globe including west.
Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Wednesday the military was engaged in talks with Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Algeria, Cyprus, the Seychelles, Vietnam and Singapore about access to facilities that can be used by its navy and strategic bombers.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pat ... nd-bombers

Egypt - the Army went after Muslim Brotherhood , who is linked to Al Caida, it got noticed that US possibly was on the wrong side.

The world is it less or more dangerous during this administration rule.

I say rule because - Our federal government is now using the full weight of itself and the law against us - this is the definition of tyranny. The Bill of Rights is the only thing standing between us and the tyrannical government, and it's constantly under attack from the State. From the increase in surveillance and wiretaps to the increase in regulations, the federal government continues to exceed the boundaries that it is supposed to follow.

[levicoff]

Well, I, for one, am thankful that Eric will “stop discussion [sic] the gay perspective.”

(I have often wondered if English is Eric’s first language. For his sake, I hope it’s not. As I see it, his only redeeming quality is that he, on rare occasion, actually makes a substantive contribution to this forum that addresses distance education.)

Be that as it may, his willingness to leave this topic alone frees me up to pursue the homosexual agenda with renewed fervor.

What, you didn’t know that we have an agenda? Well, we do. And that is to turn the entire world homosexual. It’s our contribution to population control and overcrowding.

As many know, I used to teach and write books. Then one day, I was asked by senior-level members of the homosexual agenda to represent them to the trucking profession. “But,” I replied, “most truckers are morbidly overweight and butt ugly.”

“True,” they answered, “but you don’t have to bother with them. Just recruit the hot-looking truckers to the homosexual agenda. We want guys who will look good once they convert to our agenda and begin to shop at Bloomingdale’s. Don’t bother with the guys who would never fit into an Abercrombie t-shirt.”

Okay, I said, and began the task of recruiting truckers to the homosexual agenda. I’ve become a specialist – focusing on hot married guys who get drunk on holiday weekends because they’re out on the road and miss their wives and kids.

I also go after right-wing redneck truckers that listen to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck as they travel the nation’s highways and byways. Once I’m done with them, not only are they homosexual, they’re ready to vote for Obama and Hillary. Not to mention that they stop listening to country & western and start tuning their Sirius XM satellite radios to the Broadway channel. I know I have them captured by the homosexual agenda when they start doing Ethel Merman impressions.

I tell straight guys that, while I understand their desire for women, guys have less baggage. You’ll never hear a guy say to you, “I want to marry you.” (On the other hand, as time marches on, you will hear that… in some states.)

But then I tell them that they’ll never hear a guy say, “I want to have your baby.” (Unless he’s very kinky and has a warped fantasy life.) But you will hear women say that. And if they do, it means they can. And if they have your baby, congratulations: you now have a 21-year investment.

Then there are the straight truckers that spend their money on lot lizards (truckstop prostitutes). They’re the ones that are easy to win over to the homosexual agenda – when they realize that they won’t have to pay guys for sex, leaving them more money to waste on lottery tickets.

Yes, ever since I became an over-the-road driver, I’ve recruited hundreds of other drivers to the homosexual agenda. So if Eric has any friends or relatives who are truckers, he'd better watch out. Because if I meet them, they will become homosexuals and batter him with the same bullshit with which he is battering us.
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Is all of this true, or merely a satire? I'll never tell...

[SteveFoerster]

Russia is on the move - this time putting military forces in Ukraine. So while President Obama is unilaterally disarming us across the globe,
Russia is on the move and not holding back. Putin doesn't care what Obama says, as America's interests are being threatened.

Help me out here. What are "America's interests"? I'm trying to figure out what exactly I have so strongly in common with the other 310,000,000 Americans that we're all so threatened by what the Russians do in Crimea.

Also, how are other countries like Venezuela, Iran, Egypt and China going to view America now that they see us retreating? Russia is already negotiating to put bases across the globe including west. Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Wednesday the military was engaged in talks with Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Algeria, Cyprus, the Seychelles, Vietnam and Singapore about access to facilities that can be used by its navy and strategic bombers.

So what? The U.S. military has a presence in over a hundred countries around the world. How is it justifiable to praise that yet complain when other countries consider acting similarly?

I say rule because - Our federal government is now using the full weight of itself and the law against us - this is the definition of tyranny. The Bill of Rights is the only thing standing between us and the tyrannical government, and it's constantly under attack from the State. From the increase in surveillance and wiretaps to the increase in regulations, the federal government continues to exceed the boundaries that it is supposed to follow.

That's true, but can't you see that decades of overspending on the military has only made this problem worse?

[Jimmy]

...The whats next? Bestiality? What of a groups people start organize around that life style?

That's a false equivalency. That's animal abuse not behaviors between two consenting adults.