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More on Swiss institutions

Postby monarch » Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:44 pm

What do you guys say about these two entities? Any ideas?
http://www.scusuisse.ch/home.htm
http://www.rcmedu.ch/
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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby monarch » Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:53 pm

But the second "goat" http://www.rcmedu.ch/ seems have the swiss accreditation eduqua www.eduqua.ch
THEY SEEM TO BE SERIOUS
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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby johann » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:16 pm

monarch wrote:But the second "goat" http://www.rcmedu.ch/ seems have the swiss accreditation eduqua http://www.eduqua.ch
THEY SEEM TO BE SERIOUS

I'm not knocking EduQua -- but as the org. itself says - it's for private institutions. Nothing like a Swiss federally-approved degree. To me, it looks nice..but that's all. As has been said before, the Cantonal Approval makes the degree "legal" - it does not ascribe or denote value, nor indeed make it worth anything, academically.

The only name I can connect with this place is Nagraj Gummala MBA. "Rockland" may be his one-man show, I'm not sure. Mr. Gummala has a couple of e-zine articles on the web. One I read (in part) calls for reform of credit-reporting agencies. I doubt there are too many Nagraj Gummalas in Switzerland, so I'm assuming this is our guy's (Swiss) Linked-in page. According to his profile, Mr. Gummala received his business education at The Indian Institute of Management, Bangalore.

http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/nagraj-gummala/4/7a5/9bb

Serious? Maybe. Accredited? No. Its lack of accreditation (to me) doesn't necessarily make the school bad or good - but it DOES affect the utility of its degrees, if you're earning one for a career or with a view to further study. If it IS a one- (or two- or three-) person school, then that is NOT promising AT ALL. I wouldn't want it myself - but hey, Monarch - it's your money!

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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby johann » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:57 pm

Hi again -

One further comment re: Rockland. Generally, I try not to be the spelling and grammar police. However, I feel Universities and Colleges, in which the language of instruction is English, should be able to put together websites with minimal mistakes. Rockland has NOT done this.

The site has too many spelling errors and unfortunate grammar lapses for higher-ed use - and some just plain carelessness, as shown by incomplete sentences that trail off...

The site "looks" nice but "reads" very low-end, as if written by one harried individual wearing too many hats. Just my take. From the website, this place looks like a crapshoot and I'm not known as a gambler. Maybe there are some that are. :D

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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby Tark » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:29 pm

The Swiss government puts it like this:

While higher education in Switzerland is primarily dispensed by public institutions, there are also many private ones. Some of these private institutions cater primarily to Swiss clients. As such, they are part of Switzerland's public higher education sector and therefore receive public subsidies. Other private institutions were created mainly for the purpose of servicing international students and are not part of Switzerland's public higher education sector.

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Private institutions that are not part of Switzerland's public higher education sector, are not compatible with it, or are not entirely supervised by public authorities offer a different, but not necessarily lower, level of quality. There are several prestigious private institutions that are entirely independent
from Switzerland's public higher education sector. Not all private institutions are prestigious, however.


An example of a prestigious private Swiss institution might be IMD, a highly ranked business school with AACSB accreditation (not just AACSB membership, but full accreditation). But to reiterate the words of the Swiss government: "not all private institutions are prestigious".
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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby johann » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:58 pm

Tark wrote:An example of a prestigious private Swiss institution might be IMD, a highly ranked business school with AACSB accreditation (not just AACSB membership, but full accreditation). But to reiterate the words of the Swiss government: "not all private institutions are prestigious".


Agreed 100%, Tark. Another possibly "prestigious" example might be SMC University - http://www.swissmc.ch . The programs here are (mostly) ACBSP accredited. Again, the school appears to have Cantonal approval and also to have no further institutional accreditation.

It looks like both ACBSP,in one case and AACSB in the other, recognize Cantonal approval as sufficient degree-granting authority to evaluate (and accredit) the schools' programs.

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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby monarch » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:27 am

can you please find out what it takes to get a canton approval? Because it seems that www.unihe.ch and www.universitaet.ch don't have it despite the fact they have been in the market for awhile. So what does it take to get the canton approval???
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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby g-gollin » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:10 am

monarch wrote:can you please find out what it takes to get a canton approval? Because it seems that http://www.unihe.ch and http://www.universitaet.ch don't have it despite the fact they have been in the market for awhile. So what does it take to get the canton approval???


Perhaps you will find it yourself and let us know, yes?
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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby monarch » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:53 am

how will I find it out? I thought Professor Gollin is THE expert...
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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby Jack » Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:07 am

Perhaps you could directly contact the department of education within the swiss government. Or perhaps you could just go on trolling.
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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby g-gollin » Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:52 am

monarch wrote:how will I find it out? I thought Professor Gollin is THE expert...


By doing some of your own research.
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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby Tark » Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:59 am

monarch wrote:can you please find out what it takes to get a canton approval? Because it seems that http://www.unihe.ch and http://www.universitaet.ch don't have it despite the fact they have been in the market for awhile. So what does it take to get the canton approval???

As I understand it, the rules may vary from canton to canton (just as licensing rules in the US vary from state to state). Furthermore, the rules may be different for different academic disciplines (as is also the case in the US). Schools that wish to offer degrees in "protected" disciplines (possible examples might include medicine or law) would likely face more regulatory scrutiny than schools that wish to offer degrees in "non protected" disciplines (possible examples might include religion or business).

The Swiss government puts it like this:

As a general rule, in Switzerland no prior authorisation is required in order to offer higher education courses, organise examinations or issue private degrees. In certain cases, however, the federal or cantonal authorities, depending on their respective area of authority, will supervise private institutions and/or authorise them to offer courses and issue degrees. This supervision means that private institutions are required to accept a certain amount of public control. They must undergo quality inspections if they wish to issue protected titles that will be recognised as such. Non protected titles are nevertheless common.

My impression is that a private school that only offers "non-protected" degrees may face little or no regulation from cantonal authorities. So "cantonal approval", by itself, may mean little or nothing in terms of academic standards.
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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby johann » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:41 pm

Jack wrote:Or perhaps you could just go on trolling.


Appropriately said! Die Freie und Private Universität Herisau AR, referred to by Monarch, may or may not lack Cantonal authorization, but hey - it's "accredited" by no less august a body than Dr. Maxine Klein Asher's WAUC! (World Agglomeration of umm-Universities and ahem-Colleges.)

Don't WAUC -- run!

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Re: More on Swiss institutions

Postby johann » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:38 pm

I'm resurrecting this old thread just to show what can happen on the BOTTOM end of Swiss Cantonally-approved schools. The well-known multinational sack of toad-feathers known as St. Clements University has received permission from the Canton of Vaud.

Previous Liberian, Nigerian and Niue, South Pacific connections, among others. Our DD search engine is rife with links to St. Clements.

I learned from these (DD) pages that the Administrator of St. Clements, David Le Cornu, is a former VP of Dr. Maxine Asher's WAUC - the accreditor that couldn't even crawl! This is an honour Mr. Le Cornu shares with Abdul Basit, head of Preston U (Pakistan). Here's the Swiss site of St. Clements:

http://scusuisse.ch/home.htm

What's next? Maybe Breyer State U (Panama) will open a branch "campus" in Switzerland and get Cantonal approval!
If St. Clements can, why not BSU?
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