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Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby Vice » Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:14 am

This is a public statement regarding the relationship between NationsUniversity and myself (Dr. Muhammad Schmidt). I have asked NationsUniversity for this in response to various unfounded, absolutely untrue allegations made on various degree discussion boards against my person, work, and church by Bill Grover, John Weaver-Hudson (aka “Uncle Janko”) and some other people around them in the past two years. They have never provided any substantial proof for their unfounded claims, and all they have done in this respect must be regarded as libel for which they could be sued legally.

Below is the statement from NationsUniversity, sent to me by Dr. Mac Lynn:

From: Mac Lynn
To: 'Dr.Muhammad Schmidt'
Cc: 'Marty Lynn'
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:28 PM
Subject: NationsUniversity

To Whom It May Concern:

NationsUniversity makes use of materials contributed by a significant number of highly trained professors. One of these professors is Dr. Muhammad Schmidt. At NU, students around the globe have benefited from four courses developed by Dr. Schmidt. The courses were contributed without remuneration. In recognition of his academic contribution, NationsUniversity has named one of its “colleges” in his honor as a token of appreciation. Dr. Schmidt has been known personally to personnel of NationsUniversity for a decade. He is a Christian and a man of integrity, who has a passion for helping students grow academically. In addition to his courses offered through NationsUniversity, he also trains students throughout the world in a seminary which he heads. That seminary follows the European model, where an emphasis is placed on research and thesis writing. Student papers are available for public viewing.

Mac Lynn, Chancellor and Chair of the Board of Regents
NationsUniversity
macl@nationsu.org*
Tel.: 0615-309-8101*
(* Contact data added by myself, Dr. Schm., in case of verification need)
July 10, 2009

Here is also a link to the IFTS school server from where a sample of my theological writings (from Vol. 1 of my theological writings published by Viademica this year) can be freely downloaded:

http://www.gelber-kaiser.de/Sample/S...1_Extracts.pdf

I leave it up to the individual readers of these sample texts to decide how much academic theological expertise can be found in these sample texts, and it will hopefully sufficiently demonstrate that the work done by IFTS is not worse (and perhaps not “much better”) than what others schools Bill Grover claims to be much better in standards do. Texts in the freely downloadable sample file are print-enabled but bear a watermark for protection against illegal copying and distribution of these copyrighted materials.
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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby g-gollin » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:08 pm

You should start by suing Janko.
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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby levicoff » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:42 pm

Vice wrote:Bill Grover, John Weaver-Hudson (aka “Uncle Janko”) and some other people around them in the past two years . . . have never provided any substantial proof for their unfounded claims, and all they have done in this respect must be regarded as libel for which they could be sued legally.


Wow . . . a new wazoo shows up here and, in his very first visit, threatens litigation! Way cool! But to paraphrase the Scriptures, Bill Grover I know. John Weaver-Hudson I know. Hey, even Jesus I know. But, um, who are you? :lol:

From: Mac Lynn
To: 'Dr.Muhammad Schmidt'
<snip>

[Muhammed Schmidt] also trains students throughout the world in a seminary which he heads. That seminary follows the European model, where an emphasis is placed on research and thesis writing.

I love it when someone claims to be the head of a seminary but doesn't name the seminary. I presume, however, that we're talking about the so-called International Faith Theological Seminary at http://www.gelber-kaiser.de, which purports to issue degrees under the authority of the Institute for Christian Works in South Carolina (http://www.icwseminary.org).

Well, sir, your so-called seminary is a joke. Moreover, you are a joke. And a pretty funny one, too.

My only regret is that we cannot watch you follow George Gollin's suggestion by suing John Weaver-Hudson, since he recently departed this life. But hey, come to think of it, I'm still alive. At least I think I am. So come on... make my day. Sue me, you little turd. You fraud, you sham, you shyster, you con artist. Seriously. It's been a few years since I had a good lawsuit, and everyone around here could use some entertainment. (But do be sure to check out the results of the last time someone sued me.) You troll, you trollop, you sleazeball. (Wait, is sleazeball one word or two?) :mrgreen:

I mean, really, calling yourself a "Bishop and Primate?" (See the Impressum page on his web site.) Well, you probably do qualify as a primate... in one sense of the word.

But seriously, Muhammed, welcome to degreediscussion. It's nice to have you here... for the entertainment. Funny stuff, indeed. :lol:

P.S. Okay, kids, I've been calling Nations University a degree mill as well. If Mac Lynn seriously believes that this doofus is legitimate, doesn't that tell you something about Nations as well? :wink:
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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby g-gollin » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:52 pm

Two things come to mind.

1: a chimpanzee is a primate;
2: the guy threatening Janko is a twit.
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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby Dave Wagner » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:40 pm

No, only through the exception fallacy can the observer assign presumed individual properties to a group.
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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby Vice » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:58 pm

The link in my first post in this thread does not seem to work. Here is the full link:

http://www.gelber-kaiser.de/Sample/Schm ... tracts.pdf
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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby Vice » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:16 pm

levicoff wrote:Wow . . . a new wazoo shows up here and, in his very first visit, threatens litigation! Way cool! But to paraphrase the Scriptures, Bill Grover I know. John Weaver-Hudson I know. Hey, even Jesus I know. But, um, who are you? :lol:

I love it when someone claims to be the head of a seminary but doesn't name the seminary. I presume, however, that we're talking about the so-called International Faith Theological Seminary at http://www.gelber-kaiser.de, which purports to issue degrees under the authority of the Institute for Christian Works in South Carolina (http://www.icwseminary.org).

Well, sir, your so-called seminary is a joke. Moreover, you are a joke. And a pretty funny one, too.

My only regret is that we cannot watch you follow George Gollin's suggestion by suing John Weaver-Hudson, since he recently departed this life. But hey, come to think of it, I'm still alive. At least I think I am. So come on... make my day. Sue me, you little turd. You fraud, you sham, you shyster, you con artist. Seriously. It's been a few years since I had a good lawsuit, and everyone around here could use some entertainment. (But do be sure to check out the results of the last time someone sued me.) You troll, you trollop, you sleazeball. (Wait, is sleazeball one word or two?) :mrgreen:

I mean, really, calling yourself a "Bishop and Primate?" (See the Impressum page on his web site.) Well, you probably do qualify as a primate... in one sense of the word.


Weaver-Hudson aka "Uncle Janko" has been as unbalanced in his posts as you are. But I assume that this is less due to the nature of the work I am involved in (and which you know nothing, absolutely nothing about) than to a problem in your own personality. Look at what you wrote above, and then ask yourself if the Jesus you pretend to know would approve of that.

What you are doing is taking some publicly available internet information (which I have freely posted as there is nothing to hide) to make up your own interpretations and stories, and this is not what reason and fair judgment based on real evidence is about. But that´s your personal opinion, and the way you present it reminds very much of a 13 year old teenager. Wouldn´t it be time to grow up?

Now, I do not give a damn of what you think regarding my person, work, and ministry. Yes, and I am a primate in biological-evolutionary terms as much as you are; you cannot change the facts...lol.
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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby Vice » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:25 pm

g-gollin wrote:Two things come to mind.

1: a chimpanzee is a primate;
2: the guy threatening Janko is a twit.


The definition under (2) should be altered as follows:

2: the guy threatening Janko is real primate who know what is right and is not afraid of any the many pretend primates around here who obviously lack in brain substance and therefore cannot make good and responsible use of their brain.....lol.
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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby Bill » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:31 pm

Dr. Dr. Schmidt , Prelate of Japan, Archbishop of Germany, and high muckamuk of Europe, or something like like that , recently attacked me on degreeboard too, a place I no longer post as, IMO, only privileged ones are allowed to defend themselves there without chastisement from Dennis & Robt. So , he chases me here? There and here, as any can, by simple research, substantiate, he has asserted:

(1) Janko promoted kiddie porn,
(2) Unizul profs can be bribed to give easy doctorates,
(3) I promote SATS for filthy money.
(4) SATS uses poor learning materials
(5) SATS is wrong to charge tuition.
(6) My doctorate is deficient or not real because Unizul did not require an oral defense of it.
(7) The principles or procedures in my dissertation are at BA level.


You judge Schmidt's truthfulness and Nation's wisdom in associating with him.

It is quite true that I have a two year beef with Schmidt, played out right here, which I had forgotten until recently , but he obviously has not. I think that may be due to my embarrasing him here by pointing out that it is stupid for a PhD in "Bible Translation" to consult Nestle's Greek NT to learn of variant readings in the Hebrew re the height of Goliath.

As I said on degreeboard, if I have repudiated Nations beyond my concern about its faculty,[faculty are not simply course writers] then I retract that. I do not have the Nations curricula before me, so how can I know its virtue or lack of that? I have, however, chatted with two or three Nations' students or grads who seem knowledgeable.

If Schmidt recants his assertions I list above, then I will here admit here that he is not the schmuck I now think he is. If he does not, then those seven unproven accusations are that by which I go on measuring him.
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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby Vice » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:31 pm

Bill wrote:Dr. Dr. Schmidt , Prelate of Japan,
Mr. Grover, as an academic you should know about the techniques of quoting references. Where is the source for your reference regarding "Prelate of Japan"? Maybe, you drank a bit too much today?!
Archbishop of Germany, and high muckamuk of Europe, or something like like that , recently attacked me on degreeboard too, a place I no longer post as,
That makes me really happy that you don´t post there any longer. But you won´t have left because of me, Mr. Grover? Is it your childish "chick chick lay an egg" that made you leave after you did not receive approval you expected there from other posters? Mr. Grover, you obviously can´t stand if there are some posters not applauding you. But that`s only your personal problem, not mine.

IMO, only privileged ones are allowed to defend themselves there without chastisement from Dennis & Robt.
Yes, here it is quite the contrary as far as I am concerned. You are at home, Mr. Grover - among your likes.
So , he chases me here?
Yes, I am after you and as you are not one of the many faceless cowards around here I know about your real identity; and I will do my best to get you sued for what you have done to me. So, please go on in your postings regarding my person and work in your 13 year teenager like manner; I need more material that I will collect to substantiate my claims of libel on your part.
There and here, as any can, by simple research, substantiate, he has asserted:

(1) Janko promoted kiddie porn,
(2) Unizul profs can be bribed to give easy doctorates,
(3) I promote SATS for filthy money.
(4) SATS uses poor learning materials
(5) SATS is wrong to charge tuition.
(6) My doctorate is deficient or not real because Unizul did not require an oral defense of it.
(7) The principles or procedures in my dissertation are at BA level.
Yes, these are my opinions, and I am entitled to them as you are to yours. However, I do not sell them as absolute "truth" as you do. I can also tell you that I informed the anabin.de database maintainers that Unizul did not require an oral defense of the dissertation in your case, and that detail regarding Unizul got listed. Your doctorate from Unizul would not count much in Europe, if you like it or not.

Anabin is the database regarding recognised schools abroad and the details contained therein serve as criteria for equivalence assessment of degrees from abroad. As disputations are always required according to the system here, your "doctorate" from Unizul would not count much here; it would be classified as a second-class doctorate in Europe. Perhaps bad for you, Mr. Grover, but you must face the facts!


You judge Schmidt's truthfulness and Nation's wisdom in associating with him.
What about your own truthfulness in making public accusations without any substantial proof regarding degree mill operation?

It is quite true that I have a two year beef with Schmidt, played out right here, which I had forgotten until recently , but he obviously has not. I think that may be due to my embarrasing him here by pointing out that it is stupid for a PhD in "Bible Translation" to consult Nestle's Greek NT to learn of variant readings in the Hebrew re the height of Goliath.
1. Nestle is a coffee brand from Switzerland.
2. Nestle-Aland are the editors of the New Testament Greek text with a text-critical apparatus that is standard worldwide.
3. Goliath relates to a story in the (Hebrew) Old Testament and not to the Greek NT. The fact is I have one-volume Biblia Sacra. Utriusque Testamenti. Editio Hebraica et Graeca. Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft, Stuttgart 1994. ISBN 3-438-05250-4. It contains the Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece edition and the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia. I call this one-volume edition "my Nestle" because I am using it for NT texts (for OT texts, I am using another edition). I should have perhaps mentioned that, but that`s the only "fault" I can find in not pointing it out.


As I said on degreeboard, if I have repudiated Nations beyond my concern about its faculty,[faculty are not simply course writers] then I retract that. I do not have the Nations curricula before me, so how can I know its virtue or lack of that? I have, however, chatted with two or three Nations' students or grads who seem knowledgeable.
FYI, NU only works with course contributors who are specialists in different fields. They supply a course syllabus, textbooks for set reading, and an exam file containing multiple choice and essay topic problems. They also supply an answer key for the multiple choice section of an exam paper. Grading of exams is done by an automated process. There are no permanent course tutors/mentors due to the too many students and only a small portion of volunteers. It is a system I am very critical of as I believe students need intensive mentoring especially in the Far Distance study option. IFTS students are much smaller in number so that we can make sure that each of them is assigned a competent mentor/tutor. I have discussed this Dr. Mac Lynn some years ago but it seems that NU remains to focus on the number of students it can reach. However, to be fair - there are not many other options for an institution like NU that wants to provide quality education to as many students as possible worldwide for free.

If Schmidt recants his assertions I list above, then I will here admit here that he is not the schmuck I now think he is. If he does not, then those seven unproven accusations are that by which I go on measuring him.
No need to recant anything on my part, Mr. Grover. Whether you think I am a "schmuck" or not is irrelevant: Who really cares what you think? Your personal opinion is, after all, not all that important - outside that board.
Good to know that you do not post on degree board any longer as you must have lost your face there. Perhaps I can do more in the future to make you lose your face somewhere else, too, Mr. Grover - perhaps not on this board, but somewhere else. People like you are all too easily caught up in their own trap laid by themselves.



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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby Hungry Ghost » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:52 pm

Religion is inseparable from ethics. The former can't be successfully taught without the latter. it's as simple as that.

Here's IFTS' website:

http://www.gelber-kaiser.de/IFTS/index.htm

IFTS' homepage gives prospective students this assurance:

"Therefore, all our degrees conferred are valid and legal accoding to relevant Federal US States Law."

In previous threads I've repeatedly asked Muhammed which "Federal US States Law" he is referring to. He has never answered the question, claiming ignorance of American education law. Yet he still continues to offer his students assurances that the same American law that he says that he doesn't understand nevertheless somehow legitimizes the degrees that he awards overseas.

Trying to spin ICW's South Carolina religious-exemption into a university charter that in turn is transferrable to IFTS is rhetorically neat, but legally doubtful. If South Carolina lets ICW do its thing inside SC's borders without benefit of any state recognition, authorization, license or charter, that means absolutely nothing outside the borders of South Carolina.

Simply stated, there is no "Federal US States Law" that recognizes or legitimizes Muhammed's awarding his offshore degrees. He's handing them out entirely on his own initiative, subject to whatever laws prevail where he is, despite whatever he tries to convince his students or anyone else. The United States has nothing to do with it.

If Muhammed thinks that my characterization of what he is doing is wrong, then all he has to do is cite the law that he's referring to, the American law that somehow "validates" his foreign degrees.
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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby levicoff » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:55 pm

Well, I'm delighted at the direction this thread has taken. I think it's quite obvious that ol' Muhammed is a pure fraud and con artist - I use the terms literally. Not to mention a chickenshit - he came in here with guns a'blazin, and has turned out to be merely another troll running a degree mill.

So, kids, let's not let this thread go on too long . . . this wazoo has done nothing at all to diminish Bill Grover's credibility (which is well established here), but has managed to shoot his own reputation down the toilet. Gotta love it. :lol:

Cease to feed the troll and he'll go away.
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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby Bill » Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:09 pm

"I call this...my Nestle."

OK. If that's so,then all you need do - re Goliath's height- is say where in your one vol Nestle-Aland GNT/Biblia Hebraica are the variant readings found and what they are.

And, your answer is?

Or, is asking you that something for which you will sue me? :roll:
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Re: Regarding Dr. Muhammad Schmidt and NationsUniversity

Postby Oregon » Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:31 am

Bill wrote:"I call this...my Nestle."

OK. If that's so,then all you need do - re Goliath's height- is say where in your one vol Nestle-Aland GNT/Biblia Hebraica are the variant readings found and what they are.

And, your answer is?


Why would anyone care?
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Goliath's height

Postby John Bear » Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:52 am

I was able to find this authentic photograph, which proves that either Goliath was 16.475 feet tall or David was 27 inches tall.

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