Poimen wrote:Hi John,
Since MIDS was at one time part of Trinity, could I ask a few questions?
1. Does MIDS have any type of current relationship with Trinity?
2. MIDS has established relationships, per their website, with a number of credible organizations. In your opinion, as one who was on the inside, is MIDS currently a sincere effort. Or, from your perspective, does MIDS continue to have the same type of advertising/marketing baggage as Trinity?
Thank you for your response,
Poimen wrote:John,
Thank you for your response.
I have no personal knowledge of how MIDS operates, other than what is on the website. It does seem that over the past 4-5 years, at least from the MIDS website, Frey has made an attempt to "beef up" the degree requirements and also enhance MIDS' relationship with more credible organizations. Thus, the reason for my question about a sincere effort. Since you served on the inside of both Trinity and MIDS, I wanted your insight as to the marketing strategy that evolved at MIDS after their seperation from Trinity.
Of course, no one can with any certainty ascertain what will develop, but, in your opinion, do you see MIDS going the way of Trinity, or could it develop into a more credible unaccredited school? Or, eventually obtaining some type of USDoE accreditation?
John Fyffe wrote:
I believe that Frey's "sincere effort" has been and continues to be to maintain the highest quality "unaccredited" educational institution while positioning "MDS" now "MIDS" for some type of DOE recognized accreditation in the future.
Dave G wrote:John Fyffe wrote:
I believe that Frey's "sincere effort" has been and continues to be to maintain the highest quality "unaccredited" educational institution while positioning "MDS" now "MIDS" for some type of DOE recognized accreditation in the future.
John,
I appreciate your posting here and the courage it took to make your report to NCA. However, your claim that MIDS is sincerely attempting to "maintain the highest quality "unaccredited" educational institution" troubles me because it conflates ethics and quality. As I recall, the core criticism of MDS a couple years ago was not unethical marketing, but the fact that even Trinity's coursework/thesis requirements absolutely dwarfed MDS'. Glancing at the MIDS website, I didn’t see information on coursework/thesis requirements, but if you want to point us towards some sample syllabi, that would go much further towards demonstrating “highest quality” than a comparison to TTS.
I’m glad to hear that MIDS now has some ethical leadership, and I hope you continue posting here.
Best wishes,
David
John Fyffe wrote: You will find it much less troubling to distinguish between the ethics related to administrative actions and the quality related to academia.
John Fyffe wrote:if you read my report to NCA, you'll find plenty of reference to administrative actions and absolutely no reference to academic quality.
levicoff wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, are we actually talking about Trinity and MDS as if either of them ever had any academic credibility and were ever something other than an academic joke?
Pardon me a moment . . .
Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!
There . . . I feel better.
Dave G wrote:John Fyffe wrote: You will find it much less troubling to distinguish between the ethics related to administrative actions and the quality related to academia.
John,
Expressing your positive view of an administrator’s ethics is fine, but using that statement to sneak in an unsubstantiated plug for MDS’ supposed high quality is not fine.John Fyffe wrote:if you read my report to NCA, you'll find plenty of reference to administrative actions and absolutely no reference to academic quality.
I did not say you accused MDS of poor quality. There were plenty of others in recent years who accused MDS of that, and with very solid reasoning, such as MDS offering the dissertation-free “Doctor of Practical Ministry” for six audiocassette courses (reduced to three with life experience). Reading the archives at DegreeInfo will be very illuminating for those looking to evaluate the quality of MDS (now MIDS).
Dave G wrote:John Fyffe wrote: You will find it much less troubling to distinguish between the ethics related to administrative actions and the quality related to academia.
John,
Expressing your positive view of an administrator’s ethics is fine, but using that statement to sneak in an unsubstantiated plug for MDS’ supposed high quality is not fine.John Fyffe wrote:if you read my report to NCA, you'll find plenty of reference to administrative actions and absolutely no reference to academic quality.
I did not say you accused MDS of poor quality. There were plenty of others in recent years who accused MDS of that, and with very solid reasoning, such as MDS offering the dissertation-free “Doctor of Practical Ministry” for six audiocassette courses (reduced to three with life experience). Reading the archives at DegreeInfo will be very illuminating for those looking to evaluate the quality of MDS (now MIDS).
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