Discussions on the value or merit of unaccredited programs and institutions.


Postby g-gollin » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:12 pm

The web site describes a "Doctor of Osteopathy to Doctor of Medicine Program." The domain registration for the site is through a privacy service and a login and password are required to view most pages in the site.

The "Our Services" page describes this as an effort mounted by the mysterious "Arlington Development Group, S.A." which apparently identifies itself as a Panamanian entity.

This Student Doctor Network Forum thread identifies this Goateopathy Thing as a product of the University of Science Arts and Technology. So that balls it all up with the Medical College of London and the various minor variations on "Lady Malina Medical College" (a pair of Goatical schools that had been "accredited" by Dominick Flarey, owner of Breyer "State").

Applications to DOTOMD are to be submitted to Carla M. Konyk at an address also assigned to a UPS Store in Chattanooga, TN (Pardon me, boy: is that the Chattanooga Goatbag?). Ms. Konyk is "Konyk-Tulp" elsewhere on the web so this would seem to be a family activity.

Contrary to what a newcomer might think, "Tulp" is not a typo-deformed version of "Tulip," rather it is the last name of "Orien L. Tulp," the guiding light of USAT and Lady Malina, the man who has been honored with an IUFS MD, and who now lives outside the U.S. after a career as a professor at Drexel University.

The cost of the service extruded by DOTOMD/USAT is $25,000.

Ads that promised a salesperson $300 per successful DOTOMD enrollment can still be found all over the place. In this ad, the phone number 706-858-1774 is specified. But that's also the number of the "Corner Diner" in Rossville, GA.

Anybody want fries with their Goat?
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Postby SteveFoerster » Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:08 am

That would be ridiculous even if it were real. All other things being equal, I'd be just as happy with an osteopathic physician as an allopathic one.

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USAT claims US State Dept. recognition

Postby g-gollin » Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:36 pm

Some sooper-dooper good gnus from the University of Science, Goats, and Technology that was recently forwarded to me:

USAT receives recommendation by U.S. Department of State
USAT earns recommendation by U.S. Department of State

Congratulations to USAT! USAT recently submitted an application for endorsement by the U.S. Department of State. U.S. Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice approved said application. USAT is now officially endorsed by the U.S. Department of State as an international school.

We also have Orien Tulp's explanation of the State of California:

From Dr. Orien Tulp, USAT:

"California has its own medical board, and in contract to the other 49 states, a school has to apply directly for approval in CA. Because a school is not on the CA list has no bearing on the school and implies only that the school has not applied for such privilege. USAT has not applied as of this date, but probably will at some point in time. The requirements necessary for a school to be approved in CA are that the school must have been in existence for at least 10 years at the time of application; the review process may take up to five (5) years to complete and the CA medical board will send a team of no less than 11 reviewers to the campus on not less than two occasions to review the program over a period of 5 to 7 days each visit. The total cost of such application was estimated at not less than $100,000.00, with no guarantee of acceptance. To date, we are aware of two schools that have applied, and no one that was rejected as it was not old enough. Few others school had applied for CA approval."

We know that USAT and the "Medical College of London" use the phone numbers (664-491-5364), (727-388-2687), FAX (664-491-5362). Interestingly, there's a new psuedopod projecting from USAT/MCL: the "Mayfield Clinic for Regenerative Research" using the URL It uses the same phone numbers and "can arrange for non-controversial, cord-blood derived, adult stem cell treatment and research for a variety of conditions... Some of the conditions for which stem cells can provide treatment include: cancer, multiple sclerosis, sickle-cell anemia, leukemia, spinal cord injury, Parkinson's disease, diabetes and many more." It is offshore, in Montserrat.

Note the disclaimer:

Disclaimer: Stem cell research therapies offered by the Mayfield Clinic for Regenerative Research are not approved by the United States FDA or any other government agency. Stem cell treatments at the Mayfield Clinic for Regenerative Research are in no way to be construed or presented as a cure for any condition, disease, or injury. Stem cell treatments at the Mayfield Clinic for Regenerative Research are not a substitute for any current medical treatments. Consult with you physician before undertaking any medical treatment, including stem cell treatments at Mayfield Clinic for Regenerative Research. No guarantee of clinical benefit from stem cell research therapy is made or implied. Information on this website is for informational purposes only.

Umm... so the "treatments" are not being pushed as a "cure"... well, how about that!

You can invest in the entity, as well as presenting yourself for treatment.

Recall that Orien Tulp is also an IUFS guy.
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Postby nosborne48 » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:07 am

My VAST knowledge of and experience with osteopathy consists of a great aunt who became a D.O. in the 1920s (no mean accomplishment for a lady, btw) and having a few very satisfactory encounters with D.O.s doing standard medicine. Nevertheless:

I understand that, whereas a D.O. in this country receives a more-or-less standard medical education that even the AMA doesn't sneer at (too loudly, anyway) such is not the case in places like Great Britian. There, IIUC, the osteopath is much more limited, akin to a chiropractor. An American-trained D.O. is recognized as a full-fledged physician but not so their own product.

Thus the appeal of this umschool?
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Postby Jonathan Whatley » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:37 am

But they seem to be marketing it to American-trained DOs. Where local osteopaths are restricted to limited practices around osteopathic manipulation, the local osteopathic training would be so incomparable to full-range-of-practice medical school to justify such a nominal conversion program. I don't think these few local osteopaths would have professional doctorates at all.

The fullly trained MD probably may have access to practice in some countries where even the U.S.-trained DO may not. Would these rights extend to a converted MD from such a flimsy program? I can't think so.
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California weirdness: selling MD degrees to DO's for $65.

Postby John Bear » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:25 am

In 1962, California voters, in all their wisdom, voted in favor of Proposition 22, which declared that because DO's were virtually the same as MD's, the state would no longer license DO's. All currently licensed Doctors of Osteopathy were offered the opportunity to buy an M.D. degree for $65, and about 80% of the state's 2,500 DO's did this.

(If we were reading about this being done in Liberia or Vanuatu or Alabama or something, we'd be making fun those silly natives and their silly laws.)

Anyway, in 1974, the California Supreme Court unanimously reversed most of the key clauses of Prop 22, and California again began licensing Osteopaths.
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Postby nosborne48 » Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:41 am

I know of no U.S. jurisdiction that does not grant D.O.s the right to practice medicine and surgery. However, in many states, like New Mexico, the Osteopathy Board is separate from the Medical Board and sometimes D.O.s have different licensure standards. But this DOTOMD program isn't likely to help any.
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