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Postby Layman » Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:13 am

Thanks, Uncle. You've been very accommodating of my rather feeble (and naive) efforts since I joined this board. It does sadden me, though, when one of our fraternity (and, presumably, sorority) finds it necessary to be quite so vitriolic. (If you can type in vitriol, which I think one can't.) Perhaps, like St Pancras station over here now, we should have a resident DD chaplain! :)
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Re: straight, no chaser

Postby Bill » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:56 pm

Jack wrote:
North wrote:Uncle, true to form you revived this thread again. You have more than 30 % of the posts for this other forum you claim to find distasteful. You are also the person sending business to that forum to view it and people’s personal information that is allegedly there. You gleefully revived this DL Truth thread and sent people over to view Steve F.’s info. All the while playing coy. As Rich noted this other forum gets played up here (and of course statistically it is you doing it). I wonder how many folks you PM here feigning outrage at others info on this other forum and then blaming Poimen or myself. Are you getting a rebate from the other forum? You are quite a manipulative dude.

Stop smearing other people. Rich nailed it above in terms of where DL Truth is getting the business from. It is here (and statistically it is you).


North - I'm sorry if I'm being dense but I don't understand why you're so incensed. The post that you responded to (by Uncle) has nothing to do with you, does it?

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Isn't North's name Myles??
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DL Blotto: thought struggle with unarmed oppenents

Postby uncle janko » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:58 am

Duly noted:

Now, ask yourself a few questions:

* Is < snip > helping or damaging the cause of distance learning?
* Did the attacks on < snip > after his accident help or damage the cause of distance learning?
* Did the vulgar posts against a minor child and her mother help or damage the cause of distance learning?
* Does endorsing death wishes against human beings help or damage the cause of distance learning?
* Do attacks and slurs against race or sexual orientation help or damage the cause of distance learning?

In each case above -- which side engaged in such behavior? The pro-accreditation side? No. The non-accreditation supporters did. Not everyone participates in this behavior on the non-accreditation side, granted ... but some of the most vocal most certainly do.

It doesn't take a universal genius to figure it out: the brush the most vocal non-accreditation parties have used to paint themselves is covered in horse shit.

It's not freedom of speech, it's not political satire, it's not some version of the Boston Tea Party ... no matter how it's dressed up: it's just a steaming heap of horse shit. If you prefer it in more polite terms, it's the kind of thing about which Grandpa Higgins used to say: "No matter how you slice it, it's still bologna."

Losers, stalkers, degenerates, and light-weights ... damaging (not helping) the very cause they claim to support.

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glass houses and chasubles: Hobbesian Father Myles Calvin

Postby uncle janko » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:10 pm

It's nice to see that the semi-pornographic abuse of posters' wives, which Father Doctor Chaplain Myles Calvin (now, suddenly) a newly-incardinated priest of the Episcopal Orthodox Church so assiduously engendered, continues. :roll:

Circumspection to safeguard one's latest denominational credential? Nope.

Then, what does one expect from a person who in a matter of weeks goes from ultraliberal pro-gay pro-National Council of Churches pro-ordination of women ICCC (all attested here in his own words) to the EOC which is bitterly opposed to all of the above? What can one expect from a person who slanders reputable seminaries and denominations, in violation of the interfaith respect which is a requirement of military chaplains? Can the oaths sworn by a military chaplain be trusted in this instance? One thinks not. Military chaplains ought to be reliable and trustable around soldiers' spouses. One hopes that that is always the case.

Those who are familiar with Father Doctor Chaplain Calvin's own domestic life refrain from comment. Why? The lack of integrity of DL Blottonians is not the fault of their spouses and, more importantly, we just don't do that sort of thing. Not now, not ever, never have, never will.

Nasty, brutish, and short: l'affaire Calvin illustrates the difference, for anyone so new or so vague as not to understand, between real distance learning websites and cybershite.
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Re: glass houses and chasubles: Hobbesian Father Myles Calvi

Postby North » Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:22 am

uncle janko wrote:It's nice to see that the semi-pornographic abuse of posters' wives, which Father Doctor Chaplain Myles Calvin (now, suddenly) a newly-incardinated priest of the Episcopal Orthodox Church so assiduously engendered, continues. :roll:

Circumspection to safeguard one's latest denominational credential? Nope.

Then, what does one expect from a person who in a matter of weeks goes from ultraliberal pro-gay pro-National Council of Churches pro-ordination of women ICCC (all attested here in his own words) to the EOC which is bitterly opposed to all of the above? What can one expect from a person who slanders reputable seminaries and denominations, in violation of the interfaith respect which is a requirement of military chaplains? Can the oaths sworn by a military chaplain be trusted in this instance? One thinks not. Military chaplains ought to be reliable and trustable around soldiers' spouses. One hopes that that is always the case.

Those who are familiar with Father Doctor Chaplain Calvin's own domestic life refrain from comment. Why? The lack of integrity of DL Blottonians is not the fault of their spouses and, more importantly, we just don't do that sort of thing. Not now, not ever, never have, never will.

Nasty, brutish, and short: l'affaire Calvin illustrates the difference, for anyone so new or so vague as not to understand, between real distance learning websites and cybershite.


Pastor Hudson (Janko),

I have tried repeatedly to appeal to what I hoped was your sense of decency over the course of the last few months. I had hoped that your “better angels” might cause you to have an attack of conscience. This was to no avail. In return for confronting you over your treatment of Poimen (months ago), I have been cyber stalked by you and cyber harassed by you for months in a bitter obsession (by you) that has taken on bizarre aspects (such as the stuff you post above).

Jack and others have wondered why I let you get to me but here is my concern. Integrity matters a great deal to me. You have set about to try and damage my personal and professional reputation. That a Lutheran pastor would seek to cause such harm is mind boggling. I have repeatedly asked Gus to stop you from posting personal information/fabrications and he will not do anything about it.

When you post things such as saying that I am posting “semi pornographic” things on other forums, “threatening posters families” and so on you are not only not telling the truth, you are deliberately seeking by posting it on a public forum to cause me injury. This can come when people look my name up or when even my own child searches my name on the internet. That is painful and indecent behavior on your part.

You talk about slander. You have slandered me, other denominations, other posters and so on. Trying to cover up for your own behavior by accusing me of it is not acceptable. You pretend as if you take a high moral road but in everything from the distortions you have made in a number of postings to the whole H. Spencer nonsense you have demonstrated that the depths to which you will sink are amazing. I know that the Wisconsin Synod Lutheran Church has done much good in the United States and am astounded that they tolerate your behavior as you demean other human beings professionally and personally. Not just on matters of opinion (disagreement) but actually out and out lying to cause harm.

I have tried as I was advised to handle this with you privately in a biblical manner. This has not worked. I have tried letting everything go and as this thread demonstrates, this has not worked.
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Re: glass houses and chasubles: Hobbesian Father Myles Calvi

Postby Jack » Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:56 am

North wrote:...Jack and others have wondered why I let you get to me but...


North/whoever: Please don't invoke my name in this dispute. I believe that you have misrepresented my position. I'll be unhappy if you do so again.
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Postby uncle janko » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:45 am

Res ipsa loquitur.

If the attacks on inncoent persons stop, I'll never mention this individual again. If they don't, I'll warn from time to time.

Let no one err: someone who publicly defamed our seminary's ethics is permanently on my radar screen. There are many other and infinitely more interesting things on that radar screen. Someone whose convictions and affiliations don't change every few months or weeks, as choler or fantasy dictate, will understand what loyalty is and what it requires; an opportunist and a hater will not.

Again, res ipsa loquitur.

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PS. The rule of law is "socialist f***wits", and Dixie Randock is the Joan of Arc of millism and its shabby claque. Perhaps there will be a Chapel of St Chico the Martyr for the Blottonians. Oremus...
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Pastor Hudson and a Lack of Integrity

Postby North » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:41 am

uncle janko wrote:It's nice to see that the semi-pornographic abuse of posters' wives, which Father Doctor Chaplain Myles Calvin (now, suddenly) a newly-incardinated priest of the Episcopal Orthodox Church so assiduously engendered, continues. :roll:

Circumspection to safeguard one's latest denominational credential? Nope.

Then, what does one expect from a person who in a matter of weeks goes from ultraliberal pro-gay pro-National Council of Churches pro-ordination of women ICCC (all attested here in his own words) to the EOC which is bitterly opposed to all of the above? What can one expect from a person who slanders reputable seminaries and denominations, in violation of the interfaith respect which is a requirement of military chaplains? Can the oaths sworn by a military chaplain be trusted in this instance? One thinks not. Military chaplains ought to be reliable and trustable around soldiers' spouses. One hopes that that is always the case.

Those who are familiar with Father Doctor Chaplain Calvin's own domestic life refrain from comment. Why? The lack of integrity of DL Blottonians is not the fault of their spouses and, more importantly, we just don't do that sort of thing. Not now, not ever, never have, never will.

Nasty, brutish, and short: l'affaire Calvin illustrates the difference, for anyone so new or so vague as not to understand, between real distance learning websites and cybershite.


Jack I am sorry you feel I misrepresented your position but as best I can recall you posted here asking me why I was letting it get to me and it was up to me to choose how to respond. If that was not you, I am sorry. I want you to imagine if Pastor Hudson cyber stalked you and posted your personal information and then alleged violations of integrity for your profession. Would you be amused? Would you be amused if your personal and professional reputation was damaged? You had to explain it to your children. I am not amused either. Integrity and honesty mean a great deal.

I will repost my remarks about Pastor John’s offensive comments and make the advice I was given generic.


Pastor Hudson (Janko),

I have tried repeatedly to appeal to what I hoped was your sense of decency over the course of the last few months. I had hoped that your “better angels” might cause you to have an attack of conscience. This was to no avail. In return for confronting you over your treatment of Poimen (months ago), I have been cyber stalked by you and cyber harassed by you for months in a bitter obsession (by you) that has taken on bizarre aspects (such as the stuff you post above).

Some have wondered why I let you get to me but here is my concern. Integrity matters a great deal to me. You have set about to try and damage my personal and professional reputation. That a Lutheran pastor would seek to cause such harm is mind boggling. I have repeatedly asked Gus to stop you from posting personal information/fabrications and he will not do anything about it.

When you post things such as saying that I am posting “semi pornographic” things on other forums, “threatening posters families” and so on you are not only not telling the truth, you are deliberately seeking by posting it on a public forum to cause me injury. This can come when people look my name up or when even my own child searches my name on the internet. That is painful and indecent behavior on your part.

You talk about slander. You have slandered me, other denominations, other posters and so on. Trying to cover up for your own behavior by accusing me of it is not acceptable. You pretend as if you take a high moral road but in everything from the distortions you have made in a number of postings to the whole H. Spencer nonsense you have demonstrated that the depths to which you will sink are amazing. I know that the Wisconsin Synod Lutheran Church has done much good in the United States and am astounded that they tolerate your behavior as you demean other human beings professionally and personally. Not just on matters of opinion (disagreement) but actually out and out lying to cause harm.

I have tried as I was advised to handle this with you privately in a biblical manner. This has not worked. I have tried letting everything go and as this thread demonstrates, this has not worked.

{Note: John above has said he will never mention me again if…... Pastor Hudson has proven that he is not a man of his word. As soon as anyone Hudson has made up as me posts anything on another board John will come here again and post false statements as he did above that seeks to harm me personally and professionally. Save the pretend integrity Janko as you have continued violated rules of decency. }
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Postby North » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:52 am

Let me fix the language so I do not get grammarians upset (proof reading is not a strong area
:)

{Note: John above has said he will never mention me again “if“. To begin with, Pastor Hudson has proven that he is not a man of his word so any promise John makes has little meaning. As soon as anyone Hudson has made up as me posts anything on another board John will come here again and post false statements as he did above (and on this board repeatedly) that seek to harm me personally and professionally. I am not the person Janko claims is posting on another board so save the pretend integrity Janko as you have continually violated rules of decency in many areas.}
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Chaplain Myles Calvin Fan Club calls Lutherans "Jew-Kil

Postby uncle janko » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:52 pm

Res ipsa loquitur.
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Myles Calvin Fan Club calls WELS "Jew-Killers"

Postby uncle janko » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:58 pm

Clarification of earlier caption.
Chaplain Calvin's views are odd.
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Re: Pastor Hudson and a Lack of Integrity

Postby Jack » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:30 pm

North wrote:[
Jack I am sorry you feel I misrepresented your position but as best I can recall you posted here asking me why I was letting it get to me and it was up to me to choose how to respond. If that was not you, I am sorry.


Please allow me to be more precise. At this moment I have over 2K posts on this forum. I am sure that I've said many things that I might not recall saying. Beyond the memory issue, the context is always important. Quoting someone "allegedly" (without citation) is bad form. You may be correct in the quotation but without the context the quotation could easily be misconstrued. Regardless of quotation, regardless of citation, I would prefer that you not draw me into any dispute between yourself and any other member. When you do that you are trying to make this my fight and I don't have the time. I have no position on this matter and trust that the interested parties can resolve their problems without my involvement.

North - I'll say this once. I have a long standing relationship with Uncle Janko. I have no relationship with you. None. I have exchanged pms and emails with Uncle over a period of years. With you? None (in my memory). Please read between the lines.
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Re: Myles Calvin Fan Club calls WELS "Jew-Killers"

Postby North » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:47 am

uncle janko wrote:Clarification of earlier caption.
Chaplain Calvin's views are odd.


I am glad that you note that it is the “fan club” that allegedly made the statement about WELS being “Jew killers“.

You are correct that Chaplain Myles Calvin’s views are odd in that it is rare thing indeed these days to find someone who highly values honor, integrity, character, and respect for diversity. It is refreshing as there are many people both secular and clergy who lack those values. I suppose that is why he likes the military chaplaincy. It is perhaps an imperfect model for tolerance and respect for diverse religious tradition.

Ch Calvin certainly has a great deal of respect for Lutherans as a whole. Any denomination has rotten apples but he I am certain he does not judge all Lutheran’s by the failures of some. In fact, Chaplain Calvin has a great deal of respect for Gunhus a former Chief of Chaplains and Lutheran Brethren pastor who was a model of respect for the value of diversity in the Chaplaincy.

Another hero of Chaplain Calvin’s is Dietrich Bonhoeffer. You might enjoy reading about his life. He wrote well, there have been some excellent movies made about him. He might provide some insight into a Lutheran pastor who lived his Christian faith with dignity and respect for others. By many he is considered a martyr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer
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Jew killers?

Postby nosborne48 » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:57 am

Hunh!

I'd like to see them TRY. :wink:
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Postby uncle janko » Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:36 pm

Fan club, of course, is the popular term, whilst imaginary friends is the more technical. The Chaplain Calvin Kolkhoz (DL Pravda) appears enamoured of the term "fuckwit" (sic). In addition to his self-proclaimed wonderfulness in the post above, perhaps Chaplain Myles Calvin can clarify just what he means by the term.

Perhaps Chaplain Calvin can also clarify what, if any, is the difference in quality between his doctoral degree from ACCS and the doctoral degrees held from the University of Biblical Studies (ACCS' earlier name) by his denomination's seminary professors. Are they of the same quality? If so, did accreditation have any quality significance in the case of ACCS? If they are of differing quality, are they substandard degrees or millisms? Do they differ in quality from the educational offerings of the TIFPECUSA Episcopal University or the various seminaries uttered forth by Chaplain Calvin's previous hierarchs Young, Block, etc?

In short, as the holder of an accredited doctorate (faute de mieux), how does Chaplain Father Dr Myles Calvin assess the educational credentials of the seminary professors of the Episcopal Orthodox Church in comparison to the educational credentials of the professors affiliated with his prior ultra-liberal ICCC offshoot, or those of the many denominations with which Father Calvin has been associated in years past, such as the WICC credential mill?
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