Noble International University in Toronto, Canada.

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Noble International University in Toronto, Canada.

Postby Tad_29 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:32 am

I've recently come across the website of a university that has an environmental peace orientation and various connections to the University of Toronto. It doesn't appear on any list of registered degree-granting institutions in the province of Ontario. At the same time, it claims to offer a truly international education through various partnerships with schools in Sudan, Russia, and India. When you search online for graduates of Noble, you will see Canadian hypnotists and holistic medicine practitioners. However, the educational offer also includes degrees in standard medicine. The Toronto head office/meeting office/mailing office appear on the website along with several addresses in the States. Classes are held on the grounds of UofT for the international programs. What's the deal with this place? Do the apparent red flags disappear upon closer examination :?:

http://www.niuniversity.org
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Re: Noble International University in Toronto, Canada.

Postby nosborne48 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:48 pm

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Re: Noble International University in Toronto, Canada.

Postby SteveFoerster » Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:35 pm

nosborne48 wrote:.org

Non-.edu domain names are only a red flag for universities based in the U.S. .edu domains aren't available to foreign schools no matter how legitimate, and those few who do have them were grandfathered in quite a few years ago.

(That's not saying this school's legitimate; I'm only responding to this specific point.)
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Re: Noble International University in Toronto, Canada.

Postby nosborne48 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:44 pm

Oh! Didn't know that.
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Re: Noble International University in Toronto, Canada.

Postby Hungry Ghost » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:02 pm

SteveFoerster wrote:
nosborne48 wrote:.org

Non-.edu domain names are only a red flag for universities based in the U.S. .edu domains aren't available to foreign schools no matter how legitimate, and those few who do have them were grandfathered in quite a few years ago.

(That's not saying this school's legitimate; I'm only responding to this specific point.)


I'm not moved by the '.org' thing either. But it does bring up what in my opinion is a more substantial point:

This thing does claim that it's located in the United States. It seems to have a company registration in Delaware, but that's not the same thing as having approval to grant degrees in Delaware or anywhere else. So has this thing even bothered to get the necessary state-approval to award degrees somewhere in the US? The 'contact' page gives addresses in NY, NJ and IL, but those places all run pretty tight ships (especially NY, where it's illegal for a NY school to even call itself a 'university' without authorization from the NY Regents.)

So in my opinion at least, questions remain about the legality of the whole enterprise.
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Re: Noble International University in Toronto, Canada.

Postby Rich Douglas » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:44 pm

Legitimate start-up schools don't behave that way.
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Re: Noble International University in Toronto, Canada.

Postby johann » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:02 pm

Rich Douglas wrote:Legitimate start-up schools don't behave that way.

No, indeed they don't. In Canada, legit mainstream universities pretty well all have .ca (country code) at the end.

Examples:

http://www.fnuniv.ca/
http://www.sfu.ca/
http://www.mun.ca/
http://www.mcmaster.ca/
http://www.utoronto.ca/

Even these schools do so, where some folks like to distance themselves from the idea that they live in Canada...

http://www.uquebec.ca/reseau/
http://www.mcgill.ca/

Here's a blurb on one of the NIU Canada founders -- and present Chancellor, Dr. Biswajit (Bob) Ganguly. Seems to be quite a joiner. I don't see where this "Stanford Who's Who" has anything to do with Stanford U. More like a jumped-up LinkedIn for self-marketers and "personal branders." Dr. Bob says he's taught at U. of Toronto and still edits a journal there. That doesn't make this (NIU Canada) a degree-granting institution.

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/press-r ... 239505.php

I believe a degree issued on this uh - "campus" could likely lead to troublesome events for the holder. If I could poke them awake, I'd ask the AUCC what they think. Unfortunately I usually get no response... http://www.aucc.ca/

Degrees would have to show major in Hoaxology, as I see it. Another mill under the rubric of a do-good. Now how many times have we seen that before? :(

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Re: Noble International University in Toronto, Canada.

Postby Hungry Ghost » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:15 am

Tad_29 wrote:I've recently come across the website of a university that has an environmental peace orientation and various connections to the University of Toronto.


It looks to me like most of the connections revolve around this individual:

http://www.library.utoronto.ca/iip/hansell.htm

Despite the funny hat, he's apparently a legitimate academic who is now retired from the U. of Toronto, but still edits an 'environmental peace' journal for them.

Classes are held on the grounds of UofT for the international programs.


He's apparently still got an office at the U. of T., and being an emeritus professor can probably book campus meeting rooms.

What's the deal with this place?


The Canadian webpages seems to say that while the 'Noble Institution for Environmental Peace' is in Canada, the degree-granting 'Noble International University' is located in the USA. So Canadian education laws (arguably) might not apply. (But wouldn't a branch of an American university still have to have some kind of provincial approval to operate programs in Ontario? That's my understanding.)

And the cynic in me wonders if 'Noble International University's' American presence just consists of a business licence. So if any American state educational authorities made inquiries, Noble International could just tell those Americans that nothing is happening in their particular jurisdiction, so their office's approvals aren't necessary and no enforcement actions would be appropriate.

Which would neatly locate this thing precisely in the middle of... nowhere.
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Re: Noble International University in Toronto, Canada.

Postby johann » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:33 pm

Looks like Profs. Ganguly and Hansell are both architects of this school. I note they have co-authored papers together and both are listed as authors of a book on "Environmental Peace" that is in in preparation. The two appear to share office space and a phone at U. of Toronto.

I think HG is right about the "in the middle of ... nowhere" location of NIU. I'm sure both Drs. Ganguly and Hansell are wise enough to avoid the appearance of operating a university without a provincial charter, provably domiciled within Canada. I'd be surprised if there's more than a set of Delaware incorporation documents to substantiate this "University." On the Uni's page, It is claimed that its predecessor was the "Academy" division of NIEP, which was established in 2002, IIRC.

BTW- I note Dr. Ganguly has a D. Sc. from "International University." I don't know which school that refers to. Oh well, as long as it's not "The" International University, the forever-unaccredited beast of Missouri!

Judge for yourselves, guys. I leave the conundrum in capable hands. Here are a couple more related web links:

Dr. Ganguly's page at University of Toronto: http://www.library.utoronto.ca/iip/ganguly.htm
NIEP Website: http://www.niep.ca/

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Re: Noble International University in Toronto, Canada.

Postby johann » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:59 pm

Hungry Ghost wrote:Despite the funny hat, he's apparently a legitimate academic who is now retired from the U. of Toronto, but still edits an 'environmental peace' journal for them.

According to Dr. Ganguly's page, so does he. They collaborate on papers and a book -- why not the journal, I guess. Same academic interests. We're not dealing with J.Edgar and Clyde here, I'm sure. :)

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