In Memoriam Uncle Janko

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Postby Jonathan Whatley » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:47 pm

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Re: Uncle Janko killed in auto accident

Postby Stanislav » Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:05 am

O God of spirits and of all flesh, Who takest of Thine own unto Thine own;
Who hast said, All souls are Mine, and Who callest them and keepest them till the day of Resurrection;
Thyself, O Master, deliver the soul of Thy servant John
whom Thou hast taken to Thyself, from every action of the enemy power;
set as guide for them, Angel of peace; propitiously grant him to see Thy countenance;
overlook his misdeeds in this life, whether voluntary or involuntary;
make him worthy of the portion of Thy Saints and establish him in the bosom of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
Thy righteous ones, whence grief, distress, wailing and gnashing of teeth have fled;
and for us, arrange all things as is good and pleasing unto Thee.

For Thou art a good God and lovest mankind, and to Thee do we send up glory: to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.
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Re: Uncle Janko killed in auto accident

Postby Bill » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:39 am

Nice prayer, Stanislav
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Re: Uncle Janko killed in auto accident

Postby Abner » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:54 am

On the day of my birth, Uncle Janko was on his way to heaven. The good thing is I know he lived a good life, and accomplished what he wanted. We should all be so lucky.

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Re: Uncle Janko killed in auto accident

Postby vinny123 » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:10 pm

I am very sorry to hear about the passing of Uncle janko. In spite of our many online disagreements he obviously had the best interests of posters at heart. He left this world too soon but made a major impact on many posters and I am certain others as well. May he rest in peace. Vinny
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Re: Uncle Janko killed in auto accident

Postby RobbCD » Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:55 pm

Very sad news. I will have a good thought for his family and friends.
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Re: Uncle Janko killed in auto accident

Postby KKA » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:31 am

Greetings of peace of all,

May God Keep Uncle Janko in His Mercy. My condolences to all.

I always enjoyed his wit even when I disagreed with him.

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Re: Uncle Janko killed in auto accident

Postby Gus Sainz » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:54 pm

Mitto tibi navem prora puppique carentem

The passing of Uncle Janko affected me deeply. I had wanted to post a few words, but I felt it was appropriate to first mourn in private and wait until after his memorial service to do so. I have spent the last few days recalling our telephone conversations and rereading both private correspondence and many of his posts here on our forum. Words fail me, but the memory of the depth of his wisdom, his scintillating eloquence, his irrepressible wit, and his inimitable style will live forever.

DegreeDiscussion has lost a valuable member; I have lost a cherished friend; and the battle for the integrity and quality of distance education has lost a valiant and indefatigable warrior.

On behalf of all the members of DegreeDiscussion I would like to convey condolences to all his friends, family, and loved ones. He will be sorely missed.

Multumesc foarte mult, Uncle Janko! Thank you, Dr. John Weaver-Hudson, for having enriched our lives.

Requiscat in Pace, Mad Priest
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The dissertation title and abstract

Postby John Bear » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:28 am

Earlier, I provided an incorrect title -- one that appeared on an earlier draft, that I had been sent a year or so ago. The title, as published, is:
HOLINESS AND HUMANISM: A Comparative-Religions Commentary on Book 2 of Cicero's Laws, with Special Reference to Confucianism and Chinese Thought.

After a brief introduction, a new translation of De Legibus II, and prolegomenal remarks, the commentary discusses in Cicero's sequence how place connects to ancient times and traditions, God's Law, and his judgment on human laws, tension between Roman religion and Greek philosophy, and the setting forth of Cicero's code of religious law. The code covers whom to worship, the power of Cicero's own priesthood, religion and political unity, social justice, and religious rites. Cicero's digressions on a turf-war beween augurs and pontifices and priestly responsibility for religious law alone, the rites of death, and the prospect of immortality.

Excursuses within the commentary include holy reason as imago Dei in humans; dialogists' family and friendship, legitimacy of law in Confucianism; the supreme God and His/Its relation to lesser deities, especially Minerva; hyperphilologism and ancient holist theology (hence referece to current African philosophy and theology and to modern religious traditions), Cicero's anti-Platonism, parallel Confucian-Mohist enmity, and the common substrate of family and family rite; mistaking propriety for agnosticism and tacit knowing for unbelief; reliability of the canonical texts; the sages' descendants and clasical explications; tyranny as the sin of patricide; Roman priesthoods with reference to the religious power of women; family religious rites; the augural priesthood and its liberationist implications.

Selected interpretive issues meriting further enquiry follows: the integrity of theology in DL2, and aspects of classical Confucianism, Cicero's theological language and the use of translations; theological anti-totalitarianism in Cicero and his contemporary Han Dynasty Confucians; scholoarly contempt for Cicery and its civic-theological implications; late-dating of DL as buttress of its civic-theoloigical character; Isocrates as anti-Platonic paradigm of theological political praxis; the distinctiveness of our sages over against mediaeval philosophical theology in the West and China, and anti-imperialism theology in Viet Nam or Cicero's Philippics.

The conclusion offers encouragement in civic-theological resistance to tyranny, the role of humane reason in theology, and the present applicability of aspects of the theology of Cicero and that of Confucius

259 pages (12 pt. Times type, 1 1/2 spacing) + 19 pages of bibliography
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Re: The dissertation title and abstract

Postby mattchand » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:11 am

John Bear wrote:Earlier, I provided an incorrect title -- one that appeared on an earlier draft, that I had been sent a year or so ago. The title, as published, is:
HOLINESS AND HUMANISM: A Comparative-Religions Commentary on Book 2 of Cicero's Laws, with Special Reference to Confucianism and Chinese Thought.

Wow. A translation and commentary on Cicero would have been scholarly enough, but as a comparative study with Confucianism is truly unique. It would appear that the loss of Dr. Weaver-Hudson represents a blow to more than merely the DL world. I hope that this is somehow at least published as a dissertation and made available to university libraries; for it to languish unknown would be a pity.
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Publishing Janko's dissertation

Postby John Bear » Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:59 am

mattchand: "I hope that this is somehow at least published as a dissertation and made available to university libraries; for it to languish unknown would be a pity..."

Does anyone here have experience with any of the reputable self-publishers --,,, among others. I don't. The work could be printed and bound for under $15, according to the Lulu site -- even for a single copy -- but there are not only the rights and permissions to deal with (from the Hudson family, presumably), but getting the work into digital form would be a real challenge: it has a lot of text in both Greek and Chinese. I suspect it would have to be scanned into PDF files, rather than trying to get ahold of the original manuscript on disk (if indeed it was done that way).

I would be glad to help in the process, but not a whole lot; my life is very very full. But I'll help pay some of the costs, and, as needed, lend my copy to whomever might help run with this.

The key issue, however, is marketing. Anyone can print books. But there must be a system in place for making them known to scholars and libraries and others, and filling orders, etc.
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Re: In Memoriam Uncle Janko

Postby Jonathan Whatley » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:44 am

I only worry about the stigma of a self-publishing imprint, that most scholarly and larger public libraries would be reluctant to acquire a book from a known self-publishing imprint - how often do they? Yet academic libraries do take even UMI-printed dissertations all the time.

This is probably not quite the sort of title they publish everyday, but if Northwest Publishing House might take it up... Or another small Lutheran publisher, or a publisher with a focus on world religion, or any university press? My vote is yes, very strongly, and I would do everything I could to help, but that we should press hard for an entirely unimpeachable imprint.
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Re: In Memoriam Uncle Janko

Postby James K » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:51 am

As a friend of John's for twenty years, a fellow classicist, and a fellow Lutheran pastor, I have been touched by all the kind words all of you have written in honor of my late friend. John often spoke to me highly of his distance learning friends that he had met through this message board. And so you too have my condolences, even as you have offered them to me and to John's family.

John had a strong faith in the Lord and, as Pastor Naumann said at Monday's funeral, he knew well that whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. I have no doubt of the joys that John is experiencing now; the only weeping and gnashing of teeth is among us, who have to carry on without him. And yet I (and those of you who share our faith) do not mourn as those who have no hope....

I would love to see John's dissertation in print form. His translation of Book 2 of Cicero's De Legibus is jaw-dropping. This is no stilted 19th century Loeb translation. Cicero talks as if he were an American statesman, not a Roman one, and yet each of John's words is solidly based on the Latin original. That alone would be worth the price of getting it into a larger circulation. The one thing that I think needs to be done--and John had agreed with me about this when I had discussed the matter with him--is some introduction of Confucius to classicists and of Cicero to Chinese scholars and of African philosophy to all parties concerned. There really was no room for any of that in the dissertation, which had to be strictly limited in scope. But I believe this dissertation could be put to good use by people who are specialists in Confucius or Cicero but ignorant of the other. At a bare minimum, a glossary of Roman/Chinese/Swahili terms should be added, although I think it would be more useful to have a brief chapter explaining not only the terms but the way in which the terms relate to one another.

If I could be of assistance in any way, I would be glad to do so.

Pardon any incoherence. I'm keeping Uncle Janko hours now, which means that it is way past my bed time.
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Re: In Memoriam Uncle Janko

Postby some gobbledygook » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:09 pm

Count me in! While I would be happy to simply buy a copy from UMI, I think more could be done. My understanding is that small but respectable academic publishers like Brill, Baker Academic, and Kregel all welcome directly submitted dissertations/theses for publication. (Certainly O.U.P. and C.U.P. would be great, but putting all the eggs in those baskets might not be wise.) I think the first step would be asking the permission of JWH’s parents, then Dr. Song, who presumably has the electronic copy with correct fonts, etc.

:idea: James K. and John B., I’ve just sent you a private message.
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